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1 ) 秩序如何转向野蛮
2 ) 蝇群出现带头大哥这一过程涉及的几个关键字
1、孤岛+孩子+20世纪
孤岛，故事发生的地点。孩子，故事主体。20世纪，故事时间。
影片开头采用的是静景照片叙事方式，类似于放映PPT。如果观众能够留意，就会发现画面主要涉及到了两样东西：孩子+飞机。注意这些孩子出现的时候的背景配音，老师授课+教堂赞歌。这些孩子是20世纪接受正常培养的孩子，并没有什么不同。在这些片段最后，一架飞机坠落，而后镜头开始出现动景镜头，两个孩子出现在镜头里。
孩子：两组，A组出现穿白衬衣，学生打扮，思维来源偏向于常规课堂；B组穿黑色长袍，唱诗班打扮，思维来源偏向于基督教洗礼。对比《鲁滨逊》，人数生存年代相同，人数增多，且全部小男生。
孤岛：这是故事主题面对的生存环境，影片交代了他们来到这里的途径（飞机坠落），他们要做的就是离开则个岛屿。而且自始至终的途径都是寻找飞机（惯性思维，怎么来就怎么走），（戏剧性地是最后出现的不是飞行员，而是海军）。对比《鲁滨逊》，鲁滨逊所在的年代没有飞机，所以他等待的只能是海船，何况他也是坐船来的。
2、野猪+怪兽+火
野猪，火，生存的必需品。怪兽，生存面对的危险。
注意A组老大第一次杀野猪的时候没有下得去手，而B组老大一直说自己是猎人。
怪兽，其实没有真正出现，而是成为统治者夺权的一种工具。
3、社会新秩序之信仰
信仰，永远是统治一个世界最牛逼的手段。
按理来说，除去对信仰特别忠诚的人才会死心塌地地尊重图腾。影片中”海螺“就起了这么一个作用。
海螺是眼镜肥仔和A组老大海边发现的，由A组老大拥有，并把它作为图腾号令大家。图腾，这是一个种族，或者某组织特有的标志，或者信物。图腾，前提必须是被号令的所有人都对其有敬畏心理。反观影片，此处缺乏严谨，一个海螺的作用只是用于集结号，与其拿海螺做信物，不如拿肥仔的眼镜来得漂亮。
4、社会新秩序之民主决议
自人类出现，种族内部和种族外部会议必然一定是存在的，它有助于民主表决某些难以决定的涉及种族利益的事件取舍。为何会出现会议，因为有帮派。基于利益取舍的不同，帮派很容易就人类社会中存在。
请注意，影片的民主决议是自发性的，这些孩子未经培训就懂得信服多数人的决定，而且在影片以后的情节中，会议越来越复杂，出现了“投诚”“叛逃”。
5、社会新秩序之统治者和被统治者
这里的孩子只有20人左右，可能是导演没有顾忌统治者和被统治者出现的必然性，他只是简单地把孩子们划分为两部分，A组主张返回文明社会（强调规则），B组主张狩猎（偏向暴力）。夺权贯穿始终。
（更多可百度“斯坦福监狱实验）。
附件评价：
小演员们演得不是很好，有舞台剧那种可以夸张台词的倾向。整部电影的节奏把控也不算很好，高潮出现在模仿《精神病患者》于是谋杀的那一刻。离结局太远，最后部分推进偏于缓慢。
3 ) 这次，熊孩子被荒岛干倒了
在进入正文之前，要提到近日的一篇文章：[一出好戏]，是天下第四好。
[一出好戏]有极大的格局眼界，但不够坚决。
黄渤在关键时刻，往后退了一步，让[一出好戏]这出反乌托邦故事，有了喜剧元素，也有了爱情救赎。
这是属于俗世的黄渤，他追求天下第四，电影也充满他的圆融，妥协，和宽容。
如果[一出好戏]一黑到底，就应当像它的前辈，[蝇王](1963年版)，诺贝尔奖得主威廉·戈尔丁原著改编电影。
[蝇王]所有的，是知识分子的清冷狠辣。它不怕任何人绝望，因为它坚定相信，相比它其中描绘的，人间只会更严酷。
它是一群孩子流落荒岛，由文明堕入野蛮邪恶的故事。
电影1964年在英国上映时，干脆被评了X级，这个评级在当时即“十八禁”。
可小演员们因为这个评级，没有一个能进影院看自己演的片。
照我说，还应该定成十八禁。虽暴力血腥程度很小儿科，但它对恶的描绘，却足以对心灵造成毁灭性的打击。
可怕的是，[蝇王]中的恶，往往以天真的面目出现。
可怕的是，[蝇王]中的恶，一点一滴积累，本来只是沾了点泥点子，每多一点污浊，好像都没什么，恍然间却已经满手鲜血。
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长袍，到裸身
穿着黑色披风的唱诗班孩子们，沿着海岸齐齐整整，口里还唱着赞美诗。
他们唱的是“祝福我们的主”。
他们穿得像虔诚的教徒。
这身与其他孩子不一样的衣服，又带着居高临下的优越感。
在英国，有唱诗班的，往往是优秀的私立学校。
而在这学校中，唱诗班的孩子，又和其他学生是分开住宿的。他们因为付出劳动，还能得到奖学金。
在[蝇王]中，黑长袍们一出场，就有一阵完全不同的气场呼啸而过。
傲慢很明显，但又因为孩童的面目，只限于顽劣的程度。
可开会决议后，领头的杰克，做了一个极端的决定：
从唱诗班男孩——文明的天之骄子，变成猎人——野蛮食物链的顶端。
那衣服代表的秩序，在这个荒岛上不堪一击。别的孩子问，你们这是什么怪衣服？
那时候，唱诗班男孩还不服，没好气地反驳：这是我们的制服！
依然带着对文明的骄傲，只是猎人这个听起来新奇的身份，很有吸引力。
开始只是有趣，但衣服脱了，就穿不回去了。
这群本来最严守清规戒律，最应该纤尘不染的虔诚孩子，在尝到了肉腥味后，就一发不可收拾。
他们动作神态里的张狂戾气，与海边那些踏浪而来的孩子，已经完全两个世界。
虽然，只是脱了衣服，换了装备。
原来，人性只是裹在动物性之外的一件长袍，裹得越紧，被划破后的释放，就越丑陋。
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砍树，到杀人
野性太有吸引力了，一尝到血味，就回不去了。
杰克说是要当猎人。但在第一次遇见野猪时，他手中的刀，悬在猪脖子旁好久。
身边只有两个孩子，可他还是一脸懊恼，觉得面子挂不住。
我也是可以狠的，我也是能毁灭的。
只是一次小孩子不服输吧？可是那股戾气，即使没见血，也已经划在血肉边缘。
在猪颈旁犹疑的那只手，不会再自控了。
那一下一下深深插入，不仅仅是为饱腹，而是一种孩子们自己都无法解释的杀戮欲望。“杀杀杀”，抒发着原始快感。
亲手杀戮，亲手点火，亲手把烤猪大卸八块，对这群孩子来说，说不定味道比肉还好。
事到如今，好像也只是杀了几头猪而已。可人心已经开始荡漾了。
看！是怪兽！
只要这么一句话。杀怪兽，比杀猪还具有合理性。没有人去分辨，那是不是真的怪兽。
而后，杀人甚至无需借口。
猪和人不是同类，“怪兽”是人的敌人，可就是面对同伴，只因为“猪仔”和他们不是一条心，就可以一块巨石滚下去，要了他的命。
人性中排除异己的劣根性，比动物性还要野蛮。
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人，到猪
而最动摇人心的，是口口相传的那只怪兽。
因为有怪兽，遵守文明秩序，便成了一件拿生命开玩笑的迂腐事情。
而武力成了王。
可是，根本没有怪兽，它只在人们口中，或心里。
因为装扮奇怪，因为孩子们太慌乱，把他认成了怪兽。
什么怪兽啊，不过是还没有生根发芽的邪恶，有了借口，便长成了人心里的怪兽。
影片中的蝇王，是那只献祭给怪兽的猪头。
我忍不住想起那具飞行员的尸体。
说是人，说是高等生物，腐臭后，还不是一只招惹苍蝇的蝇王？
要从人变成蝇王，真那么难吗？
只是脱了件衣服，因为压抑被释放，乍看像小孩子心性。
只是因为下不去手杀生，怕同伴认为自己懦弱，乍看像小孩子不服输。
只是为了饱腹，让求救的火种熄灭了，双方起了争执，乍看像小孩子打闹。
恶是一种怎样天真的假象，才会在人们浑然不觉之际，霸占了这座岛。
但那些细枝末节，又何止是细枝末节呢。
火种，是他们与文明世界最后的联系。
可带来火种的猪仔死了。
谁拿着谁说话的海螺，是他们曾经引以为豪的秩序——“我们可是英国人！”
可没有海螺了，也没有人在乎海螺了。
“恶之出于人，犹如蜜之出于蜂！”原作者戈尔丁这么说。
恶已经成了人自然而然的分泌物。
与[一出好戏]相比，[蝇王]这么决绝。
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文：姜不停
文章源自微信公众号：电影解毒
4 ) The rebel of Lucifer – my understanding of Lord of the Flies
Then what is it that disturbed me so much? Simply speaking, it is a question unanswered: Why Jack? Why did the children choose Jack instead of Ralph? You may explain it by elaborating on the evil tendency of the human soul, but besides it there must be something else that attracted the children who, although have not yet formed proper judgment between good and evil, have the natural ability to tell what they prefer. In a word, there must be something at which Jack was right while Ralph was wrong.
But what was it? At the beginning of the novel, when the two kids first met, Ralph was the more popular one: he was more handsome, a little bit bigger in size, and most importantly, he had the conch, the symbol of democratic power. His initial advantage against Jack was obvious, but Jack gradually took over. How? It is noticeable that Jack was a person with a strong desire to control, starting from the way he led the choir: even on a deserted island did he try to keep order and maintain control. After failing to become leader of the crowd, he quickly found himself a place as chief of the hunting team. As Ralph had noticed, Jack had “the voice of one who knew his own mind.” How about Ralph? According to Piggy, Ralph was “sensible”. What he wanted was to go back to the civilized society, but he put his only hope of rescue, the fire, under the control of Jack ("Ralph, I'll split up the choir--my hunters, that is--into groups, and we'll be responsible for keeping the fire going--"). Even after Jack’s negligence lost them a precious chance to be rescued, he still relied on Jack for the maintenance of the fire.
At first, Jack was all alone, for leisure was much more attractive for the boys than the fruitless effort of hunting. But Jack was determined “‘I went on,’ said Jack. ‘I let them go. I had to go on. I— ’”. He was driven by a desire to kill, though there was no need of it since they had enough fruit to eat. Why did he found himself so tiring a job as hunting when he could have been enjoying the sunshine and water as everybody else? He was definitely not just looking for something to do, but was again seeking control: the control of pigs, the control of food, the control of the hunting team, the control of the stone fortress, and most importantly, the control of life. While Ralph, after finishing the construction of the huts on the beach, what he did was mostly waiting: waiting for some passing ships or planes to take them home. He did call a number of meetings, but most of the meetings were fruitless for they could not reach a conclusion. Being a leader, Ralph always failed to keep his ground. He was furious at Jack’s negligence of the fire, but when Jack offered him the meat, he eagerly accepted. He was aware of the aggressiveness of Jack and the antagonism between him and Piggy, but was never determined to settle it, never determined to take sides. At last, he even forgot that he was the leader and had to be reminded by Piggy to regain his self-image.
The biggest difference between Jack and Ralph was their attitude towards life. For Ralph, he considered life as something that he himself as a child could not master, so he put the hope on others: on Jack who kept the fire, on the unknown adults who might come and take them home, thus losing control of his own life, putting his fate at the mercy of others. But Jack was quite different, he took the responsibility to hunt, to gather a group, to paint, to sing, to build a fortress all on himself, although he didn’t even have to. Instead of returning to the existing civilization, he was the one who tried to rebuild the civilization, though primitive, on his own.
During the process of gaining control, Jack revived the underlying evil force in his soul, which was true beyond denial. But the sense of “control”, once used on someone other than God, is always related to evil and sin. Think about Lucifer the seraphim who refused to bow before Adam. Once violating God’s will and seeking control of his own, the previous Angel of Light became Satan. But according to Paradise Lost by Milton, the wish to make his own judgment, to be his own savior, to look at the world with independent eye was so strong that Lucifer would rather sacrifice the heaven for it.
So was Adam who abandoned Eden for the forbidden fruit. Instead of obeying God, he chose the advice of Lucifer, just like the children who chose Jack instead of Ralph. It is rather interesting to notice that the forbidden fruit was the fruit on the tree of knowledge. It seemed that even ancient man had realized that knowledge is a dangerous thing: there is some knowledge that should never be obtained. It might not be a mere coincidence that the background of the novel Lord of the Flies was the third world war, a war triggered by nuclear weapon, the superlative development of human knowledge.
The writer seemed to imply that man is doomed to be destroyed: even the kids are taking the same route as their elders, gaining too much control on something that they are unable to rein. If this desire of power, of knowledge, of controlling one’s own fate is an inborn birthmark of human nature, then ever since Lucifer rebelled, since Adam went out of Eden, man is destined to die. But since it is a destiny of our own choice, not only of the children in the novel, not only of modern man, but of Adam and of Lucifer who could have enjoyed the heavenly peace so much desired, there might be something right about it that we could not yet understand.
5 ) 人类社会发展简史
6 ) From Civilization through Barbarism to Savagery
E.B.Taylor, A famous anthropologist and sociologist in nineteenth century, maintained that culture evolved from the simple to the complex and that all societies passed through three basic stages of development: from savagery through barbarism to civilization. But in this movie, we see the opposite law.A group of children were shipwrecked and landed on an uninhabited island. This group of children must build their own society on the island. At first, There was in order. Everyone had division of labor, everyone could express their views, everyone had food to eat. But soon, everything was broken, and the thirst for power and food made the children fall apart.
There are two core figures in the film：Ralph and Jack.Ralph has knowledge and thought of a civilized world, he is more mature than the other children.Jack is a very attractive child. He has strong organizational skills. He leads the children in hunting, and leads everyone to sing when they breaks.
It is worth noting that almost all the actors in the movie are children.Children mean ignorance, innocence and simplicity.So, children’s society is closest to Hobbes's "state of nature”.
Ralph has wisdom from the civilized world of the future.He advocated cooperation and set up a democratic system. Everyone has the right to speak and establish rules and regulations to regulate people's behavior. But the rules he made are loose, and are not guaranteed by force. It is obviously not suitable for children's society, because they are children, few people can understand it.So Ralph was seen as a idealist.In contrast, Jack's tribe is more realistic.In that case, whoever can let everyone have meat to eat and help everyone fight against wild animals will become the leader.People followed Jack because of fear or hunger.Then a hierarchy is formed.As Hobbes pointed out that society was a group of people under an authority , each individual delivered natural rights to this authority to maintain peace and resist foreign aggression.
The conflict between Ralph and Jack is mainly institutional. In the early days, Ralph made many rules and regulations. This is also the result of modern civilization. Jack is tired of these constraints and finds that the rules of civilization cannot give everyone a substantial hunting. Help, so Jack chose to give up humanity and regain the animal nature. They killed Simon, Piggy, and pursued Ralph (both children who advocate democracy in the movie). At this time, they are no different from the wolves and can no longer be Belong to the ranks of people.
My major is archaeology, in daily learning, I learned the state of ancient society.In the Paleolithic age of hundreds of thousands of years ago, people were hunting and gathering for living.The state of that time was very similar to that in the movie.People couldn't imagine what cooperation would bring to them.The only thing people want is safety and food.So the man who is the strongest with the highest hunting skills became the leader.
Another focus in the film is the monster.It is because of the fear of this ultimate evil that people finally lose their mind.People started offering sacrifices to it.But such a monster has a good appearance only (in the film, which is figurative as the corpse of a pilot), and the truth of the "paper tiger" will be discovered by uncovering its skin. Unfortunately, the children are ignorant, and they can not admit the simplest truth. Children who know the truth are either accidentally killed as "monster" （Simon）or are killed as "wild animals"（Ralph）. In fact, the truth is the weapon that the rulers fear most.
This once again restore the real ancient society.The ruler establish his authority by mystifying some ordinary things and consolidate authority through a strict hierarchy.People who are not in the ruling elite have no right to know the truth.For example, in ancient Egypt, people could not see Pharaoh himself, because Pharaoh wanted people to believe he was God.The Shang Dynasty was the same.As we know, the Shang and Dynasty has a brilliant bronze civilization. In the same period, the exquisite bronzes were in sharp contrast with the rough and backward tools of production. The rulers with bronze casting technology monopolized the technology and raw material. They did not want to share the technology ,but set up a complete system for mystifying and sanctifying bronze to maintain this order.
This movie show us a battle of modern morality and primitive instinct. Violence and instinct are necessary. There is no need to talk about such superstructures as reason and democracy without satisfying the instinctive physiological needs.It takes thousands of years for people to walk into civilization, and it takes only one second to think about backing savagery.
The stupidity, blindness, and animalism that the boys concealed under the education were induced by the director.When human civilization faced the crisis of survival, it unveiled its hypocrisy. The conch symbolized the democratic order but it is so fragile in the face of violence and the desire to survive.
孤岛向来都是人性的试验场，在努力建立起的文明世界里成长起来的我们当然没办法感觉到大自然生存策略的残酷，但一旦一群人置身到遵从弱肉强食的丛林法则的极端环境下时会发什么现实和文学都已经无数次用血淋淋的事实证明了人是环境产物，群体意志确实存在，而为了对抗风险求生存人类什么事情都做得出。
开头交代事件背景时使用的停格摄影颇为前卫。原著还有影片所表达的，即对于人性的无奈。即便是天真不谙世事的孩子，在他们之中亦会形成战争，有人的地方就有群体，有群体便有野蛮和专制。掌握在少数人手里的理性与民主中将会被其取缔，这个小岛里确实有野兽，他们的内心就是。人性才是最为肮脏的东西
很喜欢。
战争大环境下 孩子也都跟着疯了
民主法制和独裁专制，谁给人以最迫切的富足和最触手可及的希望，谁就会拥有海量的追随者。
http://v.pptv.com/show/Oa2CAGjOPnzfXaE.html
精彩呈现原著，理性和民主匍匐在野蛮与独裁的脚下。
环境造就恶魔
走进文明需要千年的迂回努力，走进荒蛮只需一秒的不假思索。
小学时候读这本书时，懵懵懂懂被里面黑暗的力量所慑服。今天重温寒意仍在，关于成人社会的政治比拟好懂许多，但更大范畴其实仍旧有东西可供挖掘。原著魅力强大。这个版本的Piggy和Ralph成功过Jack, 节奏、气氛、演绎基本高度忠于原作。慢镜头爬上Captain惊愕脸庞时，绝境逢生的
远胜于90版。
成人才看得懂的儿童片
关于人，人性和男性永远与生俱来的恶与杀戮。（这一版比后来1990那一版好太多太多）
8/10 迫不及待想看原著小说啊
据说戈尔丁很喜欢对原著的“简单化处理”。寓言的性质过强，反而看起来有点刻意了。视听上发明了“fake tracking”，用变焦镜头造成轨道的效果。最好的一个段落是Piggy死后拉尔夫奔逃的段落的画外音处理，高度心理化。时间、服装、光的衔接性很不好。
孩子们害怕莫须有的野兽，到头来真正的“野兽”却是在人性中潜伏着的兽性。
虽然Ralph代表皿煮和理性，但Piggy才是智慧和光明的象征。双胞胎是纯粹和纯洁？燃鹅看完后还是不造"Lord of the Flies"啥意思……（最后成年男子出现时想到空中杀手。。
通往奴役之路，何其自然平坦！通往民主之路，何其曲折艰难。
对原著的完美改编，看片过程中多年前读的原著如抽丝剥茧般被回忆起来。有几段甚至超出了我的想象，例如第一次去山顶确认“野兽”的存在那一场景。
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